Episode 73: I’m a Ramblin’ Man

Synopsis

Are you travelling for Thanksgiving? Believe it or not, “travel” as a thing is not a modern creation. In the middle ages, people visited many remote and far-flung places and brought back notes (and delicious noodles). Join Em and Jesse for travel talk, including Lord Elgin, Ibn Battuta, Marco Polo, Zheng He, Margery Kemp, and more.

Notes

0/ The actual postcard:
Colossal human-headed winged bull from the palace of Ashurnasirpal at Nimrud, Assyrian, c865 BCE.
I found it in a copy of The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat, by Oliver Sacks. I was definitely not reading that when the postcard arrived, so…I don’t know how it was saved.

1/ Anyway, in the UK a “subway” means a pedestrian tunnel under a street. (cough)

2/ Lord Elgin: Boo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Bruce,_7th_Earl_of_Elgin

It’s actually weird that this one, with more complaining about the British Museum, is coming directly after our episode about the British Museum. We didn’t plan that. We just slag off the British Museum from time to time. [We do!–Jesse]

There is apparently some debate about the legality of Lord Elgin’s firman (a royal mandate allowing him to do the things he did).

He did all this in the early 1800s, and he had considerable trouble getting his booty back to the UK. Some pieces took upward of ten years to arrive. Also, Byron was horrified and wrote the following lines:

Dull is the eye that will not weep to see
Thy walls defaced, thy mouldering shrines removed
By British hands, which it had best behoved
To guard those relics ne’er to be restored.
Curst be the hour when from their isle they roved,
And once again thy hapless bosom gored,
And snatch’d thy shrinking gods to northern climes abhorred!

No one better than Byron for a slam poem. [Much, much applause!–Jesse]

The marbles were purchased by the British gov’t in 1816 for 35,000 GBP. (Elgin had estimated their value at 75k, which is actually what he spent to bring them back to the UK, so he took a bath on the whole deal.) This would be approximately £2,795,511.37 (about 3.5 million USD) in today’s money, which is a lot but not an astronomical sum. [Welp, I’m glad he roasted!–Jesse]

4/ What the heck, let’s link to James Acaster again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x73PkUvArJY

5/ Also, quick shout out to the QI bit about the Parthenon, why not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdvD4Fhc_K8

6/ Netscape guy James Clark repatriates stuff: https://news.artnet.com/news/netscape-founder-returns-looted-cambodian-antiquities-2059851

For more on museums, see episode 72.

7/ Famous travelers include:

Ibn Battuta: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Battuta

Marco Polo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Polo

Zheng He https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He

Margery Kemp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margery_Kempe

8/ Travel in the Roman empire: https://orbis.stanford.edu/

9/ The episode on graffiti was episode 69 (the part about the Vikings was right at the end—see note 20).

10/ The Rus’ come up a bit in Michael Chabon’s Gentlemen of the Road. I think there was a substantial Jewish population there at one point. But maybe I made that up.

11/ Venice lion

12/ Vikings in Vineland

Not to be confused with the Thomas Pynchon book of the same name.

13/ The Azores and mitochondrial mouse DNA!

14/ The Azores on medieval maps:

Medici or or Laurentian Atlas (Genoese cartographer)

Catalan Atlas (Majorcan Jewish Cartographer, Abraham Cresques)

Guillem Soler (Majorcan Cartographer)

15/ The Derbyshire man illumination in the Domesday book

16/ The Ipswich man

17/ Henry VIII’s warship’s crew

18/ Tang Dynasty murals

19/ John Hawkwood (1323–1394) was in episode 63 note 7 and episode 64 note 10.

20/ Xi Jing (1091–1153), a Chinese traveler who visited Korea in 1123. Here’s a translated edition of his account of his travels from University of Hawaii Press.

21/ Adam de la Halle

The May Day episode was episode 31.

Here is a whole site from Berkeley devoted to Ibn Battuta’s travels.

22/ Em ranted about Barthes’s essay (from Mythologies) in episode 3 note 3.

23/ The Anne Boleyn series with Jodie Turner-Smith as Anne Boleyn

Bridgerton (series)

Episode 72: Does It Belong in a Museum?

Synopsis

We’ve all seen that scene in Indiana Jones where he’s clutching an artifact and shouting, “It belongs in a museum!” But nowadays in 2023, we tend to temper that idea–museums are fun, but who gets to hold a particular object, why, and for how long is a point of contention. Join Em and Jesse as they discuss one of the world’s oldest and largest museums, the British Museum. With a collection of over eight million objects, you know there’s some controversial stuff in there. We’ll also discuss other recent British Museum-related controversies, the illegal antiquities market, the differences between Lord Elgin and the city of Elgin, IL, and more.

Notes

1/ “Wake Up Thai People” Cold War map: https://transnationalhistory.net/doing/2020/04/12/a-tale-of-two-nations-the-creations-of-iran-and-thailand/

https://yalebooks.yale.edu/2017/12/22/cold-war-maps-to-wake-up-southeast-asian-buddhists/

2/ Article about the Met’s “aggressive” collection policy.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/mar/20/new-york-metropolitan-museum-collection-artifacts-theft

https://www.icij.org/investigations/hidden-treasures/more-than-1000-artifacts-in-metropolitan-museum-of-art-catalog-linked-to-alleged-looting-and-trafficking-figures/

3/ I think “all art is counterfit” is a minor plot point of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier?

4/ Article about Met sending back Nepali statue: https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/mar/20/new-york-metropolitan-museum-collection-artifacts-theft

5/ Article about illegal Cambodian statues at the Met: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/24/arts/cambodia-met-museum-looted-antiquities.html (not the one I remember seeing, but a much newer one)

6/ Article about illegal Gilgamesh tablets: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/hobby-lobby-forfeits-rare-gilgamesh-tablet-smuggled-iraq-180978314/

7/ Article about guy sending back Cambodian statues: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/12/arts/design/james-clark-cambodian-antiquities.html

Also this: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/12/arts/design/lindemann-cambodia-khmer-statues-looting.html#:~:text=A%20family%20of%20billionaire%20art,American%20officials%20said%20on%20Tuesday.

8/ Elgin marbles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin_Marbles

https://www.britishmuseum.org/about-us/british-museum-story/contested-objects-collection/parthenon-sculptures

Versus Elgin, IL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin,_Illinois There is an adorable Doctor Who-themed cafe there. [Yes! Blue Box Cafe is so good!–JN]

9/ Memes:

The British Museum after it’s been decolonized

The guy putting the leaning tower of Pisa in his backpack

10/ The acts:

British Museum Act 1963: Also https://observer.com/2023/02/the-uk-has-a-60-year-old-law-prohibiting-repatriation-of-art-is-that-about-to-change/

National Heritage Act of 1983

11/ Sarah / Saartje Baartman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Baartman

The Suzan-Lori Parks play Venus: https://www.amazon.com/Venus-Suzan-Lori-Parks/dp/1559361352

The Kim Kardashian photos were recreated in Paste magazine, by the photographer who originally took them (Jean-Paul Goude). The original model was Carolina Beaumont.

12/ Kara Walker’s Sugar Baby. We also discussed it in episode 10 (note 16 and 24), episode 17 (note 1), and episode 42 (note 7).

https://creativetime.org/projects/karawalker/

13/ Venus de Milo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_de_Milo

See Lorenza Böttner’s Venus de Milo: http://lebastart.com/en/2018/11/lorenza-bottner-fall-flight/

14/ Favorite translation of the Odyssey: Fitzgerald, but I hear the new one by Emily Wilson is good. Favorite Gilgamesh is Stephen Mitchell, but Maria Headley is working on one and I am all a-twitter about it.

15/ Yilin Wang’s website: https://yilinwang.com/qiu-jin-british-museum/

Qiu Jin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qiu_Jin

https://www.britishmuseum.org/exhibitions/chinas-hidden-century/qiu-jin

16/ James Acaster’s Finders Keepers, Shut Up: https://youtu.be/x73PkUvArJY?si=5VrEBLpnKY0CqG1g

17/ Prince photo court case: https://news.artnet.com/art-world/the-supreme-court-ruling-lynn-goldsmith-andy-warhol-foundation-2304684

18/ Lichtenstein documentary: WHAAM! BLAM! Roy Lichtenstein and the Art of Appropriation: https://news.artnet.com/art-world/whaam-blam-roy-lichtenstein-documentary-2268088

19/ Copyright case about AI: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/21/arts/design/copyright-ai-artwork.html