Episode: 54: More England, More Normans

Synopsis

Part two of the run up to the arrival of Queen Matilda and that other guy…what was his name…William the Conqueror. Yeah. Him. Includes Danelaw, Danegeld, surprising connections to Hamlet, an explanation of whether Aethelred the Unready was really unready, and of course a discussion of Eric the Viking!

Annotations

1/ We have obviously linked to this clip before, but whatever. It brings much joy: What have the Romans ever done for us?

2/ Graham Chapman is Arthur, King of the Britons! https://youtu.be/ITJFfUptaGo Also here (with the political discussion!): https://youtu.be/KN9c2TAWMlg

3/ Patrick Stewart as Claudius. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCrq7UhVUK0 (this is not the scene Em describes, but it’s good.)

4/ It was illegal to marry your brother’s widow in England until quite recently. This was ecclesiastical law, then codified in civil law when the British decided they needed a civil marriage system in 1835 (see the Marriage Act of 1835). It became legal in 1907 with the passage of the Marriage to a Deceased Wife’s Sister Bill, and in 1921 the Deceased Brother’s Widow’s Marriage Act. Notwithstanding, it happened. People either got married abroad or no one challenged the marriage (they were considered “voidable” rather than “void”). Among others, Jane Austen’s brother married his dead wife’s sister.

THE MORE YOU KNOW.

Hamlet: “He that hath killed my king and whored my mother,/Popped in between th’ election and my hopes” (V.ii). Interestingly, in I.ii, Claudius says that the nobles also agreed that he should marry his sister-in-law This is the part I quote:

“Therefore our sometime sister, now our queen,
Th’ imperial jointress to this warlike state,
Have we (as ’twere with a defeated joy,
With an auspicious and a dropping eye,
With mirth in funeral and with dirge in marriage,
In equal scale weighing delight and dole)
Taken to wife. Nor have we herein barred
Your better wisdoms, which have freely gone
With this affair along. For all, our thanks.”

5/ The pope didn’t want to piss off Aragon: not the guy from Lord of the Rings. There was a country called Aragon. [Now it’s part of Spain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragon ]

6/ Danelaw! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danelaw

7/ Battle of Edington (878 CE) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Edington
Offa (king of Mercia, d.796 CE) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offa_of_Mercia
Alfred the Great (starts as king of Wessex; c.848/849–899 CE) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_the_Great

Alfred’s main kids are Æthelflæd, Lady of the Mercians (c. 870–918 CE) and Edward the Elder (c. 874–924 CE)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Æthelflæd
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_the_Elder

Eric the Viking (actually Eric Bloodaxe, died 954 CE) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Bloodaxe

(There’s a line in Angels in America where the Rabbi reads a list of grandchildren of a Jewish woman who died: “…beloved grandmother of Max, Mark, Louis, Lisa, Maria…uh…Leslie, Angela, Doris, Luke and Eric. (Looks more closely at paper) Eric? This is a Jewish name? (Shrugs) Eric.” It’s page 16. Anyway.)

Aethelred the Unready (c966–1016 CE) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Æthelred_the_Unready

8/ Battle of Maldon, 991 CE. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Maldon

9/ Danegeld https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danegeld

10/ Sweyn/Sven Forkbeard (963–1014 CE) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweyn_Forkbeard
Son of HARALD BLUETOOTH (d. c. 985/86 CE). Who is THAT GUY. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_Bluetooth

11/ Cnut the Great!! (d. 1035)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnut

12/ Edward the Confessor (c.1003–1066) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_the_Confessor

Before you @ us about St Edmund being another king of England who was canonized–-St Edmund (d869 CE) was King of East Anglia, not England. 🙂 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_the_Martyr

Edward the Martyr might count (962–978 CE) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_the_Martyr

13/ Harold Godwinson (c.1022–1066 CE) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Godwinson

William the Conqueror/Bastard (c.1028–1087 CE) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Conqueror

14/ “Thou never shalt hear herald any more.” It’s from Henry V (IV.iii).

15/ Check out the Bayeux Tapestry close up! https://www.bayeuxmuseum.com/en/the-bayeux-tapestry/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayeux_Tapestry

16/ Beowulf! Trans. Maria Headley https://www.amazon.com/Beowulf-Translation-Maria-Dahvana-Headley/dp/0374110034

For a performance, check out Beowulf: The Epic in Performance–Benjamin Bagby, voice and medieval harp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WcIK_8f7oQ

Episode #53: England Before the Norman Invasion

Synopsis

As good students of history, you already know that all-important date in British history: 1066, aka the Norman Invasion. But what happened in England before then? From the Romans through to Alfred the Great, join Em and Jesse as they talk about a whole bunch of kings, kingdoms, Vikings, and Monty Python.

Annotations

1/ 1066 and All That: A Memorable History of England, Comprising All the Parts You Can Remember, Including 103 Good Things, 5 Bad Kings, and 2 Genuine Dates is indeed a real book. It was written by WC Sellar and RJ Yeatman, illustrated by John Reynolds, and first appeared in Punch magazine. As someone who has come across a lot of old Punch comics in my time doing research, I will say they’re a bit…conservative (or at least they were from 1841–at least 1900 or so). But the book is funny.

2/ Arthur, King of the Britons from Monty Python scene at 0:48 https://youtu.be/ITJFfUptaGo (also includes the coconuts and swallows!)

3/ Constantine (c272–22 May 337) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great

4/ Boudicca (Queen of the Iceni, led a revolt against the Romans in 60/61 CE) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudica

5/ Romans leave early in the 400s CE and the Angles, the Saxons, and the Jutes arrive.

6/ The episode in which we discussed the Cornish World Play was…episode 1?

7/ The first Archbishop of Canterbury, Augustine, becomes Archbishop in 597 CE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Canterbury

8/ The Venerable Bede (c.672/3–735) was mentioned in episode 4, note 20. “Venerable” is like an official title given to him by god, not just a description. Notice they didn’t decide to call him the Veritas Bede. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bede

(Sorry, that was uncalled for.)

9/ Cuthbert (c.634–687) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuthbert

10/ The Lindisfarne Gospels! https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/lindisfarne-gospels
View the actual scanned manuscript here. [Check it out!! The “carpet” pages are famously gorgeous!! The carpet pages are called carpet pages because of their resemblance to Eastern carpets (from the Eastern Mediterranean and North Africa and possibly textiles from even further east thanks to the Silk Road). –Jesse]

11/ Essex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex
Sussex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sussex
Mercia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercia

12/ Offa (king 757–his death in 796CE) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offa_of_Mercia

13/ The Carolingians. Inventors of the script known as Carolingian Miniscule. (This may or may not be true.) [Well, the script was probably invented near Paris and perfected by Alcuin of York and widely used in the so-called Carolingian Renaissance in the 8th–9th centuries CE. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolingian_minuscule –Jesse]

For more on the Carolingian Empire see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolingian_Empire

14/ Sutton Hoo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutton_Hoo buried in the 6th/7th centuries, discovered in 1938.

15/ Beowulf! 8th century, maybe later. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf

This podcast endorses the Maria Headley translation. Go read it. For real. Go now. https://www.amazon.com/Beowulf-Translation-Maria-Dahvana-Headley/dp/0374110034

16/ Raedwald of East Anglia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A6dwald_of_East_Anglia

East Anglia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Anglia

17/ The Sutton Hoo helmet is on the Stephen Mitchell translation, e.g.
Here is the Sutton Hoo helmet info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutton_Hoo_helmet
Original helmet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutton_Hoo_helmet#/media/File:Sutton_Hoo_helmet_2016.png
Replica helmet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rædwald_of_East_Anglia#/media/File:Sutton_Hoo_helmet_(replica).jpg

18/ Netflix’s The Dig: https://www.netflix.com/title/81167887 Basil Brown did begin the dig for Edith Pretty, but they didn’t have some kind of romance as implied in the trailer. [Yeah, but Ralph Fiennes plays him in the film, so… 🙂 –Jesse]

19/ The Danelaw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danelaw

20/ Wessex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wessex

21/ Alfred the Great (848/849–899) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_the_Great

Jesse: Quite enjoyably, the video game Assassin’s Creed Valhalla [SPOILER SPOILER] centers on Norse Vikings who conquer portions of England. While the history most commonly taught in England (and the US/Canada/Australia/etc.) views the Vikings as interlopers and Alfred the Great as a hero who united England, in AC Valhalla Alfred is the main villain. Good times.

22/ The Glorious Revolution was when the British got sick of Charles II, chucked him out, and invited William and Mary of Orange to “invade,” whereupon they became William III and Mary II. Also this triggered a lot of political unrest in Scotland (see also Outlander and The Baroque Cycle for different takes on this). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_Revolution

23/ Technically, because the British Empire still contains 14 overseas territories, the sun still does not set on it. [I think this will change in the next few years. –Jesse]

24/ Canadians protesting the deaths of Indigenous children toppled statues of Queens Victoria and Elizabeth II https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/02/queen-victoria-statue-toppled-in-canada-amid-anger-at-deaths-of-indigenous-children

The Queen Victoria statue cannot be restored but the Queen Elizabeth statue can be and will be (and put back on display). https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/queen-victoria-statue-not-repairable-manitoba-legislature-1.6498031

Em: Ideally they would replace them with statues of Freddie Mercury.

Jesse: The Pope is about to apologize to Canada for the residential schools that forcibly erased Indigenous culture and identity through violent assimilation, abuse, and the burial in unmarked graves of thousands of children who died due to the horrific conditions. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/24/world/canada/pope-francis-apology-canada-indigenous.html

A really long time ago I (Em) made my now-husband sit through a Canadian art house film about Winnipeg. It was like our third date. And that is why I laughed about the city.