Episode 58: Long Live the Queen

Summary

A lot of stuff about Richards II and III for a podcast that’s supposed to be about queens. Also Mathildas, Boudica, and why Black Panther is more historically accurate than Wonder Woman.

Notes

1/ Richard III’s body was eventually found under a car park. I swear we talked about this at some point.

“Was ever woman in this humor woo’d?” Richard III, act I, scene 2

Okay, in reality my husband usually plays one of the murderers, but explaining the other characters is a lot of work so I changed the story. Don’t tell him, he doesn’t listen to the podcast so he’ll never know.

2/ Stichomythia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stichomythia

3/ Richard II has the speech that goes,

No matter where; of comfort no man speak:
Let’s talk of graves, of worms, and epitaphs;
Make dust our paper and with rainy eyes
Write sorrow on the bosom of the earth,
Let’s choose executors and talk of wills:
And yet not so, for what can we bequeath
Save our deposed bodies to the ground?
Our lands, our lives and all are Bolingbroke’s,
And nothing can we call our own but death
And that small model of the barren earth
Which serves as paste and cover to our bones.
For God’s sake, let us sit upon the ground
And tell sad stories of the death of kings…

If you love language, go read it. [Love, love, love.–JN]

4/ We’ve talked about The King’s Horseman before… (See episode 20, note 9.)

The Invention of Love by Tom Stoppard is about poet/classicist AE Housman and Latin translations. Super funny and brilliant, as one would expect from Stoppard.

5/ I think we quoted the Tony Kushner speech when we last discussed the Bayeux Tapestry. However I don’t know if that episode is live yet? These ones jumped the queue. (For more on the Bayeux Tapestry, see episode 54 note 15.)

He says there’s a Prior Walter stitched into the Bayeux tapestry.
………………………………
The Bayeux tapestry. Embroidered by La Reine Mathilde.
………………………………
Mathilde stitched while William the Conqueror was off to war. She was capable of . . . more than loyalty. Devotion.
She waited for him, she stitched for years. And if he had come back broken and defeated from war, she would have loved him even more. And if he had returned mutilated, ugly, full of infection and horror, she would still have loved him; fed by pity, by a sharing of pain, she would love him even more, and even more, and she would never, never have prayed to God, please let him die if he can’t return to me whole and healthy and able to live a normal life . . . If he had died, she would have buried her heart with him.

–Louis in Angels in America Pt 1: Millennium Approaches Act 2, scene 3

6/ English rulers before William I: See episodes 53 (England Before the Norman Invasion) and 54 (More England, More Normans).

7/ Henry V has a lot of speeches about France.

Example:

Now are we well resolved; and, by God’s help,
And yours, the noble sinews of our power,
France being ours, we’ll bend it to our awe,
Or break it all to pieces: or there we’ll sit,
Ruling in large and ample empery
O’er France and all her almost kingly dukedoms,
Or lay these bones in an unworthy urn,
Tombless, with no remembrance over them:
Either our history shall with full mouth
Speak freely of our acts, or else our grave,
Like Turkish mute, shall have a tongueless mouth,
Not worshipp’d with a waxen epitaph.

8/ Henry/Heinrich V, Holy Roman Emperor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_V,_Holy_Roman_Emperor

Henry/Heinrich literally means “ruler of the house,” so there are a lot of kings with that name. There was also a Henry/Henri V of France, but he only ruled for about five days when he was ten, and then spent the rest of his life trying to get back on the throne. This was during that awkward period in France that lasted from about 1815 to 1870ish when there were a couple of revolutions, different constitutions, Napoleons on and off the throne, kings coming and going…

9/ All of this is very confusing, but Stephen’s wife Matilda was also a descendent of the house of Wessex, so even if his line had remained on the throne the English monarchy would still have been descendents of the house of Wessex.

10/ St Pancras Old Church https://stpancrasoldchurch.posp.co.uk/ Nowadays they call themselves Anglo–Catholic. The church building is one of the oldest in London (maybe in England?), and there are not entirely implausible claims that there was worship on the site going back to the 300s. The churchyard is also mentioned in Dickens (in The Tale of Two Cities) as a place to go body snatching (or “fishing”). More recently, in 1968, the Beatles were photographed there.

The Hardy Tree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hardy#/media/File:2780theHardyTreeOldStPancrasChurchyard.jpg

11/ Boudica / Boadicea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudica

12/ Tacitus (c. 56–120CE) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus
On Boudica: https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/classics/warwickclassicsnetwork/romancoventry/resources/boudica/sources/tacitus/

13/ Cassius Dio (c.155–c.235) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassius_Dio
On Boudica: https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/classics/warwickclassicsnetwork/romancoventry/resources/boudica/sources/cassiusdio/

14/ Torc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torc

15/ Jesse: I should clarify that the problem with the movie’s ahistorical nature is the fact that the Dahomey were major participants in the slave trade. (There were several African nations who were major participants in the slave trade–i.e., they were enslavers who captured and sold people from other tribes to European slavers.) The arguments about The Woman King focus on the fact that the movie glorifies the Dahomey women warriors without acknowledging their complicity in the slave trade. Although Western movies unfortunately gloss over such complexities all the time, the criticism argues that a movie created by an African American team (led and fronted by an amazing African American woman, Viola Davis) has a greater responsibility not to ignore the complexities of history. I hadn’t seen the movie or read the criticism yet when we discussed it on the podcast!

Episode 57: Dancing Queens (pt 1)

Synopsis

As a memorial to Elizabeth II, Em and Jesse discuss famous queens throughout history and mostly in the UK, including drag queens, the borough of Queens, Lady Jane Grey, Mary I, Elizabeth I,  Mary II, Anne, Victoria, and Elizabeth II. Also Sophie of Hanover, Wills and Kate, Prince Harry and Meghan, and I think Charlie III a little bit.

Annotations

1/ In retrospect, I don’t know why I referred to royal family-type queens as “regular queens.” There’s way more drag queens in the world. They’re the norm, royal family-type queens are the exception.

Also just to be clear, I love drag but I hate false eyelashes. They look like you are wearing spiders on your face. I still cannot believe they are popular.

Famous residents of Queens: Peter Parker.

2/ Safe to say that Jesse is bearish on the whole commonwealth thing. [Lol! But yes.–Jesse]

3/ Since you might have gathered we were a little baffled by the different types of Crown properties, here is an excellent video explaining the different categories.

4/ Barbados transitioned to a republic in November of 2021. [Yay!–Jesse]

5/ Elizabeth II with James Bond: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo

And a fairly adorable interview with Daniel Craig where he talks about meeting her and the corgis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGs9GlVZ-s4 [Jesse is definitely very bullish on Daniel Craig.]

6/ Actual speech of Elizabeth I:

We have been persuaded by some that are careful of our safety, to take heed how we commit our selves to armed multitudes, for fear of treachery; but I assure you I do not desire to live to distrust my faithful and loving people. Let tyrants fear. I have always so behaved myself that, under God, I have placed my chiefest strength and safeguard in the loyal hearts and good-will of my subjects; and therefore I am come amongst you, as you see, at this time, not for my recreation and disport, but being resolved, in the midst and heat of the battle, to live and die amongst you all; to lay down for my God, and for my kingdom, and my people, my honour and my blood, even in the dust.

I know I have the body but of a weak and feeble woman; but I have the heart and stomach of a king, and of a king of England too, and think foul scorn that Parma or Spain, or any prince of Europe, should dare to invade the borders of my realm: to which rather than any dishonour shall grow by me, I myself will take up arms, I myself will be your general, judge, and rewarder of every one of your virtues in the field.

I know already, for your forwardness you have deserved rewards and crowns; and We do assure you in the word of a prince, they shall be duly paid you. In the mean time, my lieutenant general shall be in my stead, than whom never prince commanded a more noble or worthy subject; not doubting but by your obedience to my general, by your concord in the camp, and your valour in the field, we shall shortly have a famous victory over those enemies of my God, of my kingdom, and of my people.

See the original document here.

[STANDING APPLAUSE FOR QE1!!!!]

7/ Boudicca (Boadicea) and Margaret will be in the next episode.

8/ If you’re curious about the entire post-1066 royal family, check out this video. (Although CGP Grey makes some assertions that Jesse refutes in this episode and the next.)

9/ About carrots.

10/ co-captains gif here.

11/ Anne had seventeen pregnancies and five live births; none of her children lived to adulthood.

12/ Sophie of Hanover was super cool. George II’s wife, Caroline of Ansbach, was also pretty neat.

Also, if you want to break your brain a little, Queen Anne, Sophie of Hanover, and Louis XIV (the sun king) all died in 1714/1715. Holy cow, what regime change.

13/ I have mentioned the Baroque Cycle before. It’s worth reading if you have a spare year. Delightful epic.

14/ “Even the royal house of Hanover had the wheel, sir.” [Help! The movie, that is. Incredibly colonialist, but in other moments also weird and fun. –Jesse] [As a former Asian scholar I feel weirdly ashamed of this, but I have probably the entirety of it memorized. I definitely have Yellow Submarine memorized.]

15/ It was 1837.

George III had nine sons and six daughters, of whom thirteen lived to adulthood.

16/ Movies about Queen Victoria’s beaux: Mrs. Brown, Victoria and Abdul (probably not a romantic relationship but eh, Dame Judy’s still got it).

17/ Will and Kate and the Bad Photo Op.

Prince Harry as a Nazi. I’m not sure what is more offensive—the uniform, or the fact that someone decided to hold a colonials and natives party?

Protests in Jamacia.

18/ The guy who fought at Waterloo was the Duke of Wellington.

Also, I was wrong—it wasn’t the Duke of Wellington. It was John Churchill, first duke of Marlborough. The second duke of Marlborough was his daughter, Henrietta. This is interesting because it happened a FULL FREAKING CENTURY earlier than Wellington’s victory at Waterloo. To be a duchess in one’s own right in this sense is to be a duchess suo jure. There are a few and a list (probably partial) can be found here.

19/ Historical romance is the best genre, despite the focus on dukes. But I’m more into the late 19th to mid-20th century historicals these days.